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Discussion for Today

This page is transcluded from Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025_February_14

February 14

NEW NOMINATIONS

Category:Americanized surnames

Propose renaming Category:Americanized surnames to Category:Anglicized surnames

Nominator's rationale: The main article for this page is anglicisation of names. "American" isn't a language and many of these surnames are used in other countries than the US, including Canada, the UK, Ireland, Australia, and New Zealand. ★Trekker (talk) 12:30, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Rename per nom. Someone should check the articles too. Bell (surname) and Byers (surname) seem to be plain English-language surnames. And it is not clear if Blomquist really deviates from an original Swedish form. But better have it checked by a native English speaker. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:37, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Listify - For the reasons illustrated above. This just looks like WP:OR (editors making a subjective determination for inclusion). This just cries out for explanations and references. Neither of which can be done with categories, per WP:BEFORECAT/WP:CLN. - jc37 17:53, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - As an aside, these fall under what I call "before and after" categories. (This was that, but now, it's this.) The clearest example of which is: renaming of people, companies, countries, etc. An article is one entry in a category. And can't show an individual relationship with another article (unless we started making innumerable 2-article categories). We should just establish that such categories are disallowed and are better as lists. Well... We do in WP:CLN#Disadvantages of a category, numbers 2 and 7 point to this, for example. But apparently we need to mke this clearer, I guess. - jc37 18:07, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Listify?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster (talk • he/they) 23:41, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I am not against listification, just hope that someone volunteers for it. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:10, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It seems to be mostly done at Anglicisation of names. I think we could probably leave the rest to editorial discretion. - jc37 16:07, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Also noting that Category:Anglicized surnames exists and is not a redirect back to Category:Americanized surnames, so a traditional rename is not possible.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster (talk • he/they) 01:27, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Virtual reality pioneers

Propose deleting Category:Virtual reality pioneers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: From Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_19#Virtual_reality_->_Extended_reality:

Please renominate "Virtual reality pioneers" separately. The term is generally only used in retrospect and I don't think it's controversial to say VR is still developing in a way that it's hard for us to say who is and isn't a pioneer from the present vantage point.
— User:Axem Titanium 23:45, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

–LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 03:40, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose (keep). All the nominated categories can be kept without any deletions or renamings instead. 67.209.130.111 (talk) 05:35, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I am not for or against the proposal, just noting that this last oppose vote should be discounted, as it does not provide any rationale for opposing. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:37, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Virtual reality people. I didn't mean to imply it's a useless category in my previous comment, just that pioneer is the wrong word to use here. Axem Titanium (talk) 03:17, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Rename?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster (talk • he/they) 02:50, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If not kept, rename is probably a better solution than deletion. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:15, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
On the other hand, we do have Category:Mass media pioneers as a parent category and the use of "pioneer" there has not posed a problem. (Perhaps because it's easy to judge who was a pioneer once the technology is mature/old enough and we have a better perspective). Pichpich (talk) 20:47, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on Pichpich's comment?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster (talk • he/they) 01:26, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:National highways

Propose deleting Category:National highways (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Categorisation by WP:SHAREDNAME that means different things in each of the different countries with member subcategories. I added Category:Highways by country to those that weren't already included via a parent, so it's now redundant. Paul_012 (talk) 22:52, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Does it really mean different things? I would expect it means (everywhere) that they are owned by the national government rather than by states or provinces. Maybe still delete as a trivial intersection. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:27, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- In Thailand at least, "national highway" is just one class out of several that are owned by the national government. The other classes are included under Category:Highways in Thailand. --Paul_012 (talk) 09:22, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  - So it still means they are owned by national government, just like in other countries. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:31, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on Marcocapelle's latest comment?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster (talk • he/they) 03:23, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster (talk • he/they) 01:19, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People from Palestine

Propose deleting Category:People from Palestine (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Duplicates the scope of Category:Palestinian people. For people from the entire geographical region of Palestine, Category:People from Palestine (region) exists. --Hassan697 (talk) 20:09, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Unsure. By merging we would throw away the distinction between people living in the state of Palestine versus ethnic Palestinian people living in the surrounding countries. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:56, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
For ethnic Palestinians, there is a separate Category:Palestinians. Meanwhile, Category:Palestinian people is specifically for nationals of the modern State of Palestine. --Hassan697 (talk) 14:06, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If that's the case, then maybe Category:Palestinian people should be merged to Category:People from Palestine, since this is a clearer title. Cremastra (talk) 21:12, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
But all categories for articles on people according to their nationality (see Category:People by nationality) are titled Fooian people. Why make an exception for Palestine? Hassan697 (talk) 09:46, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We make exceptions when there is ambiguity, e.g. Category:People from Georgia (country). Marcocapelle (talk) 11:49, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster (talk • he/they) 01:08, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Pittsburgh Labor History

Propose renaming Category:Pittsburgh Labor History to Category:Labor history of Pittsburgh

Nominator's rationale: This should be made consistent with all other categories of history by specific topic in a specific region. See, for example, the subcategories of Category:Labor history by country or Category:Cold War history by country. Also MOS:TITLECASE. Dennis C. Abrams (talk) 17:49, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:18, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Rename Category:Labor movement in Pittsburgh to match Category:Labor movement in Pennsylvania. Make it a sub-category of Category:History of Pittsburgh and Category:Economy of Pittsburgh.--User:Namiba 14:53, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That is also a possibility. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:35, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Alt rename, as suggested by Namiba? Clear consensus for a rename.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster (talk • he/they) 01:03, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]